Animation &Disney &repeated posts 04 Oct 2008 09:12 am

Rotocapture revisited

Rotoscoping got some attention back in January 2007 after a number of Motion Capture films were released. Here’s a post I did back then.

– A lot has been discussed in the past week about the validity of Motion Capture as a form of “Animation.” This conversation was instigated by the Oscar nominations. Two of the three nominations for the Best Animated Feature were created using MoCap.

Mark Mayerson questioned if we shouldn’t be deciding whether we’re officially going to call Motion Capture animation. And if we shouldn’t, then is Cars the only officially nominated animated feature?
Now, of course, Motion Capture animators feel slighted. But they would have to agree that the soul, the impetus behind the movement does not come from them, but rather from the live action actor that was originally “captured”?

The comparison has been made that
traditional animation has often used Roto- scoping in creating animation. In fact, Disney’s Cinderella became the first feature that was wholly filmed in live action prior to
animation.

However, I’d like to make the point that the two methods are unrelated except in that live actors are involved. The difference to me, is that one is inspiration and the other is the heart of the animation.

When an animator is given live action reference material – the rotoscoped/traced drawings from the live action acting – he/she refers to it but animates to what is necessary for the scene. the animator is the actor using the prerecorded voice, the physical rotoscoped reference, and anything available to help give the character a “soul.”

Even in Bakshi’s use of Rotoscoping in Lord of the Rings, the animators were allowed to push the drawings beyond the live action, alter the drawings to get them on character, and essentially produce the action.

When an “animator” gets the MoCap filmed live action, the actions are set. The actors have done the movement. What remains is the proper positioning of the characters within the created scene, cleaning up the characters and constructing the scene. There’s no real animation, as we’ve come to know it.

For years now, I’ve called this electronic puppetry, but that’s not really accurate. The site Digital Puppetry seems to have labelled it correctly.

Younger animators seem to have less a problem with all of this labelling and irritation accrued by older veterans. In fact, the problem really is a threat to the “animator.” Last week, I hyperbolically suggested that the days of the animator were a dead as the dodo. You see, animation has turned into a computer effect. Live Action directors are now directing “animated films” in greater numbers. Peter Jackson had his “Gollum,” Robert Zemeckis had his “Polar Express” (and produced “Monster House”), Ang Lee had (and in fact acted) The Hulk. The “animators” have become interchangeable and almost irrelevant.
You aren’t able to define anyone’s animation style behind any of Tom Hanks’ characters in Polar Express. You can only see Tom Hanks or Savion Glover in Happy Feet.


(All images except this one enlarge by clicking them.)

In Snow White, you can tell which scenes Grim Natwick animated; his style of animation comes across. It doesn’t matter how many rotoscoped drawings were given to him as reference. Grim animated the scenes.

In the big picture what really does all this quibbling matter? I enjoyed Happy Feet more than I did Cars. Cars was a better constructed film, both were riddled with cliches. I was entertained by all that dance. I like Savion Glover (though I would have preferred watching Savion Glover.) The film also seemed to have some sort of misguided representation of a message. I appreciated that. Cars, to me, had only a lot of loud noisy reverberation. From the first frame, the film came screaming. The artistry behind the imagery was astounding, as expected from Lasseter, but the film was boring.

Of course, this is only my opinion based on my biases. You have your opinions based on your biases. However, as an Academy voter, I’ll probably vote for Cars because I think technically it was a better “Animated” film. Isn’t that the category?

If you haven’t read Mark Mayerson on this subject, you should.

Ward Jenkins reminded me that he had two interesting posts about Polar Express on his site. It gives an interesting look at how to correct the “Zombie Eyes” on the characters. #1 and #2. Check them out, if you haven’t seen them.

6 Responses to “Rotocapture revisited”

  1. on 05 Oct 2008 at 8:32 am 1.Simon W-H said …

    Yes, the big difference between Mocap and rotoscoping is that in the hands of a skilled, trained animator, with strong graphic sensibilities, the animator will apply these skills to the interpretation of the live action stats, applying the basics of animation; strong silhouette and dynamics of both drawing and movement. Even the most realistic of Disney’s characters had these disciplines applied to them by the animators handling them. There was always a pleasing element of caricature to the actions of these characters, which is noticeably missing from the mocap stuff we see today.

  2. on 07 Oct 2008 at 2:16 am 2.Roto Artist said …

    This mocap, rotoscoping and animation – comparing it causes a lengthy discussions and contrasting ideas and beliefs… However even if I enjoyed Happy Feet more than Cars, I would still vote for Cars as the best animated film. The challenge in animation is not merely rendering a very realistic image but rather you have to make it move like how its supposed to be done in real life. Now that’s art. I have high regards for the veteran animators since animation is not only creativity but skills as well.

  3. on 19 Apr 2009 at 3:13 am 3.Welp said …

    I posted this on Mayerson’s blog, a while ago.

    “As any motion capture technician will tell you, there’s more to a good motion-capture performance than just ‘capturing the motion.’ In the best of them – as with Savion Glover and Kelley Abbey’s performances in Happy Feet – the two come together quite marvelously, and is only one element of a whole.

    It can be over-used, certainly. Boy, can it. But, to say this is any less a tool of animation than rotoscoping is more than a little disengenuous, I think. You can parder up in semantics all you like, but principally, one is an extension of the other, and the only limitation is in the usage, as Ralph Bakshi and Robert Zemackis can both attest.

    I’m particularly taken aback by this weird anger at photo-realism, in approach – certainly, there are places where it needn’t be used, but (again) it all comes back to story. I wonder if the same complaints would be harboured at Watership Down, or The Plague Dogs.

    In particular, this quote:
    “”…good animation seeks to eliminate unnecessary detail in order to arrive at the expressive essence of a motion. Motion capture concerns itself with addition; animation with subtraction.”

    Which is why I tried to segue into mentioning Rosen’s films as I did – those films paid such attention to detail to the behavior of their subjects’ real-life counter-parts that it’s insane. Yet, I’ll play fisticuffs with anyone who’d say that wasn’t brilliant – though low in budget – animation.

    It’s all story; yes, deride those films that use these elements unneccesarily, by all means. Dreamworks among others deserve it. But, these elements are not ‘killing your industry;’ not motion capture, and not photo-realism, certainly. Why, just this year we’ve had the marvelously caricatured Monsters vs. Aliens (though, I can’t say much for the rest of it), and Coraline, and later on we’re getting Pixar’s UP, to say nothing of any of their previous offerings. And, then there’s “9,” and more than a few others coming. Even “Happy Feet” – which had a legitimate reason to use it as an approach – was countered by “Surf’s Up,” some months later.”

    Signed

  4. on 19 Apr 2009 at 8:06 am 4.Michael said …

    Welp, you seem to have missed the fact that I don’t believe “motion capture” is animation. It’s another form of electronic – excuse me – digital puppetry.

  5. on 19 Apr 2009 at 1:48 pm 5.Welp said …

    …As you said in the original post. That I responded to. To say nothing of all the other posts where you mention it, at length.

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